<font color="gold">Ah, I must have misunderstood, then. I thought you meant a non-magic party. But all you want is a summon-less party... Interesting... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Ok, how does this sound:

Fighter/Mage (multi)
Ranger/Cleric
Blade

Then there's not really much need for a fourth character. All your party members are atleast part warriors, one is also a rogue, and all can use powerful non-summoning magic. If you want a fourth character, though, you can toss in an archer too, just so you have the ranged fighting part covered as well. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

<font color=white> Where did the Kensai/Mage dual go to... [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] these guys are... POWERHOUSE!, especially with a back-up team consisting of 2 or 3 members.

Never played with Kensai/Mage? Now its the time to do it ;) </font>

<font color="gold">Ah, I must have misunderstood, then. I thought you meant a non-magic party. But all you want is a summon-less party... Interesting... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Ok, how does this sound:

Fighter/Mage (multi)
Ranger/Cleric
Blade

</font></font>[/QUOTE]Yes, this is something I was thinking about. But traps - thief would help a lot. And backstabs sure would help (and Assassination :D ).

I would actually need an Archer/thief sort of guy.
Or maybe Fighter/Mage/Thief + R/C + Blade. The Mage part would be for protection, and Time Stop can also be achieved by Time traps. And also UAI - Carsomyr. ;)
Hmm - this one looks good.

Hmmmm... you seem to have the relevant mods. I would advocate the Wizard Slayer->Thief because Wizard Slayers are cool, and not enough people use them. ;)

An evil Barbarian is pretty tough too, and Cleric/Rangers are mean.

I've decided to go solo Cleric/Ranger and I will NOT use any summons. Should be fun. ;)

but I will reload sometimes ... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Remember, no summons means no Girdle of Frost Giant strength, and we all know what that means right?

[ 04-17-2003, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

If you're eliminating Summons, you might as well include an Invoker (or Diviner), since they can't use Conjuration/Summoning anyway. You'll lose some useful non-Summon spells, like Melf's Acid Arrow, Flame Arrow, & the Power Words (?!?), but you'll get an extra spell per level.

- Imrahil

You have not found out the non-summon way to get it. ;)

Wouldn't have anything to do with illusion spells would it Dundee?

Remember, no summons means no Girdle of Frost Giant strength, and we all know what that means right? </font>[/QUOTE]Hmm, I think you are complicating things too much. No summons means that I don't want summons to distract some stupid AI (liches, ...) or fight instead of me. I just to see if I can beat all the opponents alone. Can I prepare well enough to withstand a barrage from a lich and then kick his butt. Or maybe I'll have to wait for my turn undead to kick in.
I also took Yoshimo to open some doors for me and pick pocket a ring.

I look it as a fighting challenge rather than a role playing complicating stuff. I always take Yoshimo with me to Spellhold to spoiler:
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get his black heart and a lot of XP after the return.

Maybe in some other game I will try the annoying NO HELP from others game. ;)