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I don't even need to read the article to know what it says. They're against it, they think it's all lies and manipulation, American imperialism, etc. The usual.

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Actually most of the muslims seem to like this new attitude - ofc the hardliners don't like it but if you thought they would I would stoop low and call you naive - Short of handing the fanatics our balls on a silver platter there is nothing we can do to avoid them.
I reconsile myself with being an atheist - considering that all religions seem to be good on paper but the human side always destroys it due to misconceptions or rather just misusing the sacred texts to own benefit.

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So you agree that his well articulated and calculated speeches come from a teleprompter and not his soul then? That regardless of what he reads, it is meaningless unless action is put into place? And words alone can be deceptive? You -da- man!

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Okay, how'd you go from what he said to what you said...?

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Looks more to me like Luvian is cutting all the people of the middleeast over the same measuringtool ( dont know the us expression used ).

Basically its rubbish to say stuff like "I don't need to read the article to know" already we know that it is indeed a narrowminded opinion - simply cause you didn't spend the 10 minutes to relate and objectify the speach - instead you just throw off some personal belief that all from the middle east thinks in one way.

Fact is that fanatics think the same way - narrowminded and not open to new ideas - actually a bit like Bush Jr. - the thing is that Obama seems to think outside the box.

Take for instance the Israel/Paelestinian conflict - A conflict all to understandable when you lean back and look into the history behind the conflict.

If I was a palestinian I would also fight for my country - though I would surely not target civilians ( I am no fanatic - so no Achmed the dead terrorist either ) but if someone came around and said - sorry we promised this land you live on to someone else - move away! I would surely pick up a rock and hurl it at the aggressor.

Israel on the other hand has not had an easy existence - they are what I would call a fighting people and I respect them overly much for this - in the hardship of being unwanted by most arab countries ( hell they even went to war with egypt and syria and kicked butt ) they have thrived - but unfortunately on the expense of the palestinians.

Without being a particular wise person I would say that the best to hope for would be a dual state solution with a seperate Palestinia and Israel - however for this to work Israel have to stop their expansions into Palestinian land.

Nuff of this - I got carried away here and seemed to loose the objective myself - politics always does that to me.

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Sparhawk I'm pretty sure Luvian is refering to just the Taliban's "official response" being so predictable reading about it is unneccsary.

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Exactly how I interpreted it to mean.

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Awwww in case thats what he was on about I stand corrected - or rather...that was what I also meant that only the fanatics are like that...alas if I was wrong on Luvian I offer my humble appologies to him.

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Yeah I meant the Taliban. I should have quoted the part I was replying to.

Uh, what?

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I cannot take credit for saying that, only for putting it into perspective.