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manikus 11-17-2008 07:10 PM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
I suppose I could start a gallery called "Rejects by rejects" :)

Uatu 11-17-2008 07:31 PM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
Hmm - that reminds me of a storyline way back when in X-Factor that was about the Rejects vs. the Chosen (and some other middling group that Cyclops got stuck with). :D

"The goads! Release the goads!"

manikus 11-17-2008 07:52 PM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
I'm not familiar with that, but I somehow think I just got compared to a Morlock. ;)

Uatu 11-17-2008 08:43 PM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
Was a nice story - basically, there was a planet of aliens where everyone was a mutant, but some were ugly (the Rejects) while the others were pretty (the Chosen - basically human-looking). Then there was a small middling group that wanted peace instead (they happened to look sort of in between, too).

X-Factor crash-landed there with their old huge ship, and each teammate got to live with the group that most identified with them:

Beast - Reject, I think
Archangel - obvious Reject :D
Cyclops - Middling group
Iceman - Chosen, but lowest caste (shapeshifters looked "ugly" in their second form)
Jean Grey - I think she was Chosen, too, but I forget! (Amnesia, or something?)

manikus 11-17-2008 09:26 PM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
X-Factor had a spaceship?

I guess I'm out of the loop. :D

Uatu 11-17-2008 11:31 PM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
I've been out of the whole Marvel loop for years ;D

(I got unhappy when Chris Claremont left and some newbie artists/writers started to control everything and make weird things happen "Durr.. my LONG LOST BROTHER!!!" "Du-huh... Dead... and now ALIVE!!!" "Durrrr... my other WORLD CLONES!")

manikus 11-18-2008 12:16 AM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
I don't know which I hate worse, that they do things like that, or that they try to make up reasons to justify it. :(

I've been out of the loop since the mid-90's. I've gotten a few graphic novels since then and some trade paperback collections of the classics (the 'Essential' series for X-Men, Spiderman and Wolverine).

Uatu 11-18-2008 02:38 AM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
The constant switching of authors and artists is, in my opinion, the worst thing about US comics.

You might have the most well-done, interesting comic in the world - and then they hire Bob Idiot (who works for less) and then everything goes aheee!

Japanese comics are lower quality in general, and eventually end, but the authors have most control over the content, which keeps a certain standard (i.e. no sudden new siblings will appear, no foreshadowing leading to nothing, etc.).

manikus 11-18-2008 08:48 AM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
From what I know of the U.S. business model, comic books are handled more like sitcoms then they are books. With very few exceptions, sitcoms use a stable of low paid writers that is constantly changing. It's one of the main reasons that there are very few story arcs in these shows.
The book publishing world is the other way around. It may be that certain authors have a hard time getting published (I hope to give personal insight very soon) but usually the author and her editor maintain content control and the publishers are handling the marketing side (which includes the pay out).

Uatu 11-18-2008 09:53 AM

Re: Rejects, Works-in-Progress
 
I think that both sides (Japan and USA) have their respective systems too set in stone - it is almost impossible to create your own comic book in the US (unless you want to be dirt poor in the pseudo-manga industry), and it is nigh impossible to creating comics in Japan without going through those fat, weekly comic "magazines."

Oh, well. Maybe just doing a web comic would be more fun (although, of course, you won't make any money off of it).


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