My favorite was the "Voyage of the Dawn Treader". "The Horse and his boy" came pretty close.

:D :D :D

We have a painting of a ship in our bedroom that always reminds me of the voyage. It even has a wooden frame that is wide enough for little people to stand upon :D That is my fave as well! :D

I invented my own world after reading them at age seven. I started drawing detailed maps of this world, that by my teenage years, ended up covering two walls.

Just a word of warning. Such "demands", in my experience, only serve to turn well mannered debate into confrontational arguements.

Let me explain. What is actually being demanded is that the original poster is required to supply "proof" of his contention in such as format as to satisfy the demander or to abandon his belief.

As this was originally posted by Yorick, I'll give an example that applies directly to him, but as a general rule, it applies to all participants in debate.

I am an agnostic. Suppose in a debate with Yorick, who is a committed Christian, I demanded the that he "post proof or recant", do you think that he would accept that if what he posted did not satisfy my standard of proof he would be under an obligation to desert his faith? I rather think not.

There are better ways of examining differing viewpoints and furthering debate than resorting to such tactics.

P.S. Yorick has been quoted directly, but this is not to be taken as a rebuke. I'm sure his desire is to further common understanding of different and passionately held beliefs.

That's true, but i never claimed the bible is better than the koran. Imo it's the same load of crap. But that's another story, and i don't wanna go there now. :D

I should have done this in the first place:

http://www.tektonics.org/JPH_BUTWT.html

People who have spent more time than I did last night to comprehensively address Barkers issues.

Really? Is that arrogant? Maybe you can't dislodge the car because God isn't with you as he was with Judah. ;)

God is certainly omnipotent. Ask Job. ;) If there was a God, that is -- which there isn't. :makingspeech:

This was an excellent post, esteemed Wookie, despite the fact certain ones may not be direct contradictions. The Bible is full of contradictions -- which is why anyone must read it as an allegorical work or suffer inevitable schizophrenia. You missed two of my favorite contradictions:

1. Mathew/Mark differences in what Jesus says to the disciples when he asks them if they think he is the son of God. Peter answers "yes." In one, Jesus tells him he is the "rock upon which I will found my church" (the one followed by Catholics). In the other, Jesus begins his speech with "get back, Satan." Any Biblical studies course delves into these two passages. Common knowledge.

2. The God of Job. How the book of Job has not found its way into decannonization and apocrypha is beyond me. The God presented in this book is so antithetical to everything I was ever taught God was.

Finally, I note there are HUGE contradictions between the old and new testaments. However, these are not necessarily errors since the new testament is focused on reformation of the religion. Christians would be living under the rules of Kosher if it wasn't for Paul's teachings in Galatians, for instance.

Let me tie all this back up to an early comment. Yorick mentioned there is the religion and those who practice it on one side, and those who do not because they do not follow its tenets on the other side. Yorick has now posted several mini-treatises on what HIS view of his religion is. Does that mean if I can find a Pentacostal (hope I remembered correctly, Yorick) who disagrees with Yorick on some of these points -- that one of them is not a "real" practitioner of the religion??

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<font color=cadetblue>There is no contradiction here because Jesus did not say "get thee behing me satan" to Peter because Peter said he was the Christ. Jesus says that to him after Peter rebuked Jesus for saying that the Son of Man will be rejected by the elders and will be killed and rise again in 3 days.

"'But what about you?' he asked. 'who do you say I am?' Peter answered, 'You are the Christ.'"Mark 8:29

"HE then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, cheif priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after 3 days rise again. He spoke about this plainly and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get thee behind me, Satan." Mark 8:31-33</font>