I hear he got the longest standing ovation ever seen at the Cannes Film Festival

Well, duh, it's anti US and it's at Cannes. It's pandering to the most willing crowd.

Utter Bullpoop!

I totally and continually reject investigation and critism of the doings and people of government and even further actually doing something quite tangible about it (like making films or writing books) being equated with "anti US"

Anti-Bush does not equate to anti-US no matter how loud or how often it is repeated.

Fine, it's anti-Bush -- from what I've read, so much so that it forgets to have any cogent discussion of the topics and just makes sweeping attempts at finger-pointing (maybe Moore is the PERFECT liberal, no?). Either way, it's sure to get a rousing round of cheers from a French audience, which was the point I was trying to make.

Now, perverting facts, omitting facts, and distorting truth to support your version of who's to blame is IMO also anti-US, but it's something that every US politician and filmmaker and basically anyone with a voice does these days, so Moore is just marching right along with them.

[ 05-18-2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

It was an international audience including many Americans.

Let M.M spew forth his agenda, where ever he so desires, to whom will listen. Who gives a RAT'S REAR END! Last time I checked it's the US. Citizens that get off their fat butts and vote that decide the direction the U.S. Government will take and not a crowd of movie goers in Cannes or any other damn film festival on this dust ball. Now if they want to change that they know where we are, they can Arm up and invade if they want to, until then blabber on it's their right to speak, lest any try to pervert my writing to say I don't believe they have the right to say what they want. Just cause it's said doesn't make it so.

Of course -- Hollywood liberals and their followers, who represent 90% of what's on TV in the US, and 15% of the geographic region where our population resides. ;) Martin Sheen or Sean Penn applauding a "documentary" (you must use the word loosely with Moore) slamming Bush doesn't actually validate it in my mind. If it's good enough for you, so be it.

Hey, at least the film is being first shown in the place where it belongs -- Europe. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 05-18-2004, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

<font color=deepskyblue>So he got film crews "imbedded" under false pretenses. In other words, he lied.</font>


<font color=deepskyblue>THIS statement by Moore is the very crux of this whole issue, IMHO. I knew this was his goal from the very first post I saw on this topic. Given the "spin" and the misinformation he has used already (claiming that Disney reneged on their deal {lie} and that they tried to prevent distribution {lie}), coupled with the lack of scruples he has been accused of exercising in former "documentaries" - I can't help but question the validity of ANYTHING this film has to say. When the director comes out and says his sole purpose for creating a "documentary" is to get the current President fired, even his most passionate defender should stop and wonder just what means Moore would be willing to use to accomplish his goal.</font>

<font color=deepskyblue>Hmmm...that sounds very much like what *I've* been saying throughout this entire thread regarding Moore and his films. Given that the Los Angeles Times isn't exactly a conservative stronghold in the media (I believe their war coverage represented the liberal angle far more than the conservative, IIRC), this is a very interesting comment for them to make. Seems like maybe some of Moore's former defenders are starting to view him and his works with a more critical eye.</font>

I was expecting that to be the case Donut - just cos it is in Cannes don't mean diddly. The film festival audience is predominantly international.

It doesn't mean that you can't claim bias though TL, because it would have been full of Hollywood loving leftist pinko watery liberals. Shoot em all I say - nary a solid froth at the mouth conservative about to give one a decent converstaion - what is the world coming to.

Of course -- Hollywood liberals and their followers, who represent 90% of what's on TV in the US, and 15% of the geographic region where our population resides. ;) Martin Sheen or Sean Penn applauding a "documentary" (you must use the word loosely with Moore) slamming Bush doesn't actually validate it in my mind. If it's good enough for you, so be it.

Hey, at least the film is being first shown in the place where it belongs -- Europe. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]LOL - well I didn't realise I was on the 2nd last page of the thread when I made my previous post - so I see now that you had already taken the pinko liberal stance. Good for you ;) .