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Originally posted by 250:
alright, let me be little objective

first of all, no country in the world likes to be spied. US spied china, because US had long ago treated China as potential threat instead of thinking the possible cooperation. the "coincidence" is, in fact, unavoidable due to american foreigne policy. if the planes dont crash, soemthing else will happen.

second, you spy other country, invaded their air (dont claim you didnt because you were SPYING). intruded other nation's land property right. alright, lets not talk about about if you did it right or wrong. but you killed one of other's pilot, crashed their plane, AND landed in their land WITHOUT permission.
and even worse yet, you played a face of being the boss, DEMANDING china to return american men immediately, AND not investigate the spyplane. read it, do those make sense to you?

investigating spyplane had been a long tradition. 1976, a russian fighter plane escaped USSR, and landed in Japan. dispite USSR's strong demand of "returning the plane immediately" US and Japanese formed a 100 scientists investigation group and basically pieced everything on that russian fighterplane. the plane was returned 76 days later after it was RE-MODELED

return the american soldiers and plane dont make sense at all, while, I personally hope these people can go home and reunion with their family. but NOT before US apologize for what they did!

Ah 250 this is what i wanted to say but wasn't able to phrase

And Ziroc About Bush
everybody makes a mistake http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/tongue.gif
(Guy's i think i have to leave the forum coz my IP is gonna be blocked http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif)

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Originally posted by Ziroc:
I don't know about that. If we went to war with China, you can expect Russia to join China. Others that would usually back the US MAY not--knowing what type of alliance they would be up against. ? Just guessing..

Ziroc

serious, though, when i made this claim, i hadnt really looked into the news. but now i looked it carefully, i made a different conclusion

there will likely be no war. why? to what end? none will benefit from this war. especially, when china is in a state which cannot afford going a war. doing so will give Japan, Taiwan, Philipine a chance to claim many disputed terrotories. this matter is best resolved peacefully

well, this is only my assumtion towards the MOST possible situtation i see fit.

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Originally posted by Rikard:
Ah 250 this is what i wanted to say but wasn't able to phrase

And Ziroc About Bush
everybody makes a mistake http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/tongue.gif
(Guy's i think i have to leave the forum coz my IP is gonna be blocked http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif)

heh, WAAAAZZZZZAAAAAAP!

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Originally posted by 250:
then i dont get it, why cannot the chinese dude just shoot a missle?

Did you know that we now have (And China as well) has EMP Technology? They could shoot an EMP at the plane, and the planes engines, technology, ANYTHING electrical would die. instantly. Scary stuff.

I believe the USA 'tested' this outside of Seattle 9 days ago. (Saw lots of reports on this on the news websites)--not headline news either.. it was buried deep.. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

Ziroc

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Originally posted by Ziroc:
Did you know that we now have (And China as well) has EMP Technology? They could shoot an EMP at the plane, and the planes engines, technology, ANYTHING electrical would die. instantly. Scary stuff.

I believe the USA 'tested' this outside of Seattle 9 days ago. (Saw lots of reports on this on the news websites)--not headline news either.. it was buried deep.. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

Ziroc

not really, ok, if a plane can be so close as to crash into the other dude, then you think a EMP will really affect a rocket at that distance? I think not. if China man was EVER determined to shoot it, it would be down already. then the death would be 24 american pilots instead of one chinses

I still think Grey Mage is right, doing so would result a military action, which is no good to both countries

I think almost every country in the world wants to avoid a war
as the econamie is going well and everything looks fine
And if we look at the last 2 worldwars they were caused by internal problem the countries (Russia and Austria-Hungaria in one and Germany in 2)
Now China is getting a world power
America is in a Economical boom aswell
Europe has enough trouble with the serbs and the smaller nationalities
Africa isn't capible of havink a worldwar
Austalia can be a problem (just kidding)

So a World war is not in the comming
An luckely that is

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Originally posted by John D Harris:
Ham fisted! check out the U.S.S.R.'s response to Hungury in the 50's.

Excuse me, I don't want to get petty here, but tell me: when you were a child, did your parents EVER accept the bad behaviour of another child as a valid reason for YOUR bad conduct? Are you REALLY offering the USSR as an excuse for America?! Think on, laddie! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

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Originally posted by 250:
not really, ok, if a plane can be so close as to crash into the other dude, then you think a EMP will really affect a rocket at that distance? I think not. if China man was EVER determined to shoot it, it would be down already. then the death would be 24 american pilots instead of one chinses

I still think Grey Mage is right, doing so would result a military action, which is no good to both countries

Oh, I agree 100%, I was just letting you know about that EMP technology we have.

Well, I wasn't up here yesterday or I would have been on here in support of Gray
Mage, John D Harris, Dracona's husband and Ziroc.

As far as spying goes, the facts are that EVERYONE DOES IT! EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE
DOES IT TO EACH OTHER!!! And I not sure that this can be classified as spying. More as intelligence gathering. Again, something everyone DOES!!!

The facts are that the US was in international waters. The USSR regularily flew up and down both of our coast several times a day during the cold war (they probably still do). We never tried to knock one of their planes down though we did escort them with our fighters. We are told in our news that the Chinese pilot was flying to close to our plane and that they collided accidently. I accept that. Our plane called out a mayday. According to international law, a plane that declares an emergency has THE RIGHT TO LAND AT ANY AIRFIELD IT CAN GET TO. The closest one was in CHINA. Hence they landed there.

Now I expect that China should send our airmen back. I don't expect we should get our plane back. We wouldn't give it back, until we had totally dismantled it
and put it back together. I expect nothing more from them or anyone else.

Someone brought up the the Soviet pilot that defected with his jet to Japan. I thank we did return that plane to the Soviets after we studied for a few months.
The pilot asked for asylum which we gave him. So far I don't think any of our people asked for asylum. So why keep them.

China has spy satilletes trained on the US now. They may even be reading this e-mail. I'm sure that both the Canadian and British Governemnts are. They pass this information back to the US, since by law the US cannot spy directly on its on citizens).

As for us being everyones policeman. WE RATHER NOT DO IT!!! DO I WANT TO GO TO
THE BALKENS! HELL NO! But I will if my country asks me too, though I see nothing
that it does for us (I'm in the Army Reserve and I was in the Gulf War, done that once). The US people would just as soon not go if we don't have too. Rwanda
was a tragic event, and we helped out a with planes and materials. It's hard for
even a super power to move troops half way around the world. We have no bases there. Look how long it took us to build up to the Gulf War. That's about has fast as we can do it. That's also why we kept troops in Europe during the Cold War. We still maintain troops for that reason in Korea.

Israel has always been our ally, and we always support our allies. The Arab countries have not always been our allies. Most, if not all supported terrorism,
which we will never support. We want to see a PEACEFUL solution to the Middleeast Crisis. We don't understand why this is a problem. After all we have worked together with our old enemies (Germany, and Japan and the Former USSR). Why can't the Israelis and the Palestianians (sp) set down and work something out?

I know this was rambling, but being late to the topic, I had a lot to get of my chest. By the way, I don't consider Bush Stupid or a moran. Bill Clinton (whom everyone outside of the US thinks is great, said the other day that Bush was a very cagy politican. And I also don't think there will be a war because of this.

I have to go wash my cars now. But I'll be back so look for any responses.
CYA!

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