I have seen a lot of people on the board in this discussion blame guns for murders and violent crimes. I have an intresting side note to bring to thier attention. Some of the greatest killers of modern times didnt touch a firearm to kill ANYONE!! There is Ted Bundy , who bludgeoned his victims. There is Albert Desalvo who strangled his victims. There is Albert Fish also a strangler. There is Jefrey Dahmer who drugged his victims and killed them in a variety of ways. There is John Wayne Gacey who strangled all of his victims. There is "pee wee" gaskins who used a knife. There is Edmund Kemper , another knife killer. There is Otis Toole and Henry Lucas who used whatever was handy to kill people. The list just goes on and on and if added up just the people I have listed have killed probably at least a THOUSAND people betwen all of them. The point I am trying to make is that GUNS are not the problem , PEOPLE are !!!
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[/QUOTE] They are not criminals before they commit the crime. And you are misquoting me - I never used the word 'firearm'.[/QB][/QUOTE] Did I misquote you? We ARE discussing firearms here....or rather were. I have given it up since Im out of energy and interest [img]smile.gif[/img] the advantage you youngsters have over us old fogeys... |
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<font color=orange>Well since everyone is throwing statistics around here, I went out and found a few of my own.
From www.geottmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010301.html In the International Violent Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland It was found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. 26% of English citizens (1 in 4) have been victimized by violent crime. Care to guess who was first?... No... It wasn't the US... It was Australia at 30%. The US didn't even make the top 1o list of industrialize nations whose citizens where victims of crime. There are some more interesting statistics there as well. Burglary rates in England and Wales were among the highest recorded. Australia and Denmark where higher than England and Wales and all where higher than the US. Here are some more victimization rates: Holland 25% Sweden 25% Canada 24% US 21% These statistics were reported in the London Telegraph according to this article. WorldDailyNet (whoever they are) reported in March 2000 "that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country. WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story: - Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. - Assault are up 8.6 percent. - Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent. - In the Australian State of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent." There are some others. I'd like to point out that all the countries mentioned above have far more stringent firearms laws than does the US. We do have a much higher rate of homicide, but not violent crime over all apparently. BTW on another matter concerning the Swiss, here is a quote concerning weapons kept in the home. "Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency. These weapons are fully automatic, military assault rifles, and by law they must be kept locked up. Their issue of 72 rounds of ammunition must be sealed, and it is strictly accounted for." This came from www.korpios.org/resurgent/l-switerland.htm. And for some more information on the ease of obtaining a Legal Machine Gun in the US. The Actual cast to obtain a license for a MG is $500, not $5000. However after you fork over the $500 expect a 3 to 8 month background check by the FBI. Those numbers are probably not correct since 9/11. Once you have passed the FBI background check, you will have to fork over at least another $1500 for the weapon. That's one of the reasons that machine guns aren't favored weapons among criminals. Way to expensive to get a hold of. Machine guns are held, legally by only a tiny percentage of the population. </font> [ 05-21-2002, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ] |
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guns are for cowards,haveing said this,true courage is beeing able to look a man in the eyes right before you take his life...quotaed from some poor SOB right before i blasted him between his eyes
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Well, since I am a soldier, I don't condone the use of firearms
but neither do I disagre with there use either. Since it is my duty to fight I will. But not unless I have to or I am needed to. In the right hands firearms are fine. |
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