Well your above synopsis could be used for EVERY Star Wars :D (I love em but they all have cheezy acting and scripts, plot holes, and great effects)... so what was different about this one? Was it TOO MUCH bad acting, TOO HORRIBLE a script, etc...?

Yes.. to much bad of everything, the plot holes were ridiculous at times and the storyline, such as it was, served only as a frame for the effects.

The first Star Wars movie still stands up to critical perspective with only Mark Hamill on the cusp of the bad acting bug.

Well, thhbbbt on you Djinn. No soup for you!

Anyway, pray tell about all these plot holes. I've seen precious few, but could name a couple of select ones. Several plot holes identified on imdb are actually incorrect, btw.

I will admit the second time I saw it, I groaned a bit -- especially at lines like "No, it's because I'm SO IN LOVE with YOU." [img]graemlins/repuke.gif[/img]

Mace Windu going to fight Palpatine with 3 jedi Padawans (If they were padawans, i'm guessing they were they all died like bizotches). It's like Windu should have been all 'Damn yo, our enemy is Palpatine, Sith lord and the most dangerous foe we've ever had. So i'm gonna take 3 of our most useless jedi and go get medieval on his ass.' That confrontation should have happened with 20 jedi, not one capable one and 3 others who would have worn the throwaway red security uniform had they been in original Star Trek.

The Republic with Palpatine as Emperor and the Senate as a democracy. There was no difference between them as far as I could see. What was the difference, the trains didn't run on time anymore? Why was anyone even fighting? Palpatine declares himself Emperor and everyone claps except for Organa and Padme.. the political aspects of this are not touched upon at all and could probably fill several chapters in their own right, but in this one it just never felt like there was any urgency to the political side, didn't Padme or Organa or the Jedi talk to any of those thousands of other senators? They could have set up a lobby group or PR company to get the word out.

Yoda going to the Wookie planet. Why did he have to go there and what purpose did it serve? It served no purpose at all and made no sense. Oh no that's right.. it was because Yoda had good relations with the Wookies. Good relations, that makes perfect sense, Yoda, apparently the most powerful jedi is going to leave the capital and the counsel in their most dire hour because he has good relations with the Wookies.

Travel time. Yoda leaves Coruscant, goes to Kasheek, returns to Coruscant. Obi Wan leaves Coruscant, goes to whatever world he fought Grievous on, returns to Coruscant, goes to Lavaworld. In the original trilogy it seemed to take days for them to travel anywhere in hyperspace, time enough for a game of holo chess. In this movie it seems like no time at all has passed during Yoda's travels off Coruscant and back.

During the fight with Dooku, Obi Wan has his legs seemingly crushed by a massive slab of metal that looked to me like it weighed in the tonnes. It should have pulverized his legs. When he wakes up, carried off by Anakin (I can't even remember how Anakin got him out from under it) Obi Wan is running around like Carl Lewis.. wtf!? The force is strong in this one..'s legs.

These new Star Wars movies represent the death of the idealism of my childhood.

Yeah, the ledge part was pretty weak and the acting was brutal in spots, but overall I don't think it was that bad. I mean, really, it could have been much worse. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Or as I said to a friend during the film, "Yoda is just a wookie who failed to hit puberty." It would explain how he has such good relations with the wookies :D

Well, Djinn, I wasn't bothered by hardly any of those that bothered you. I think most of them are not plot holes. The jedi with Mace were not padawans I don't think. The Republic's corruption is of course why Palpatine's takeover was possible to engineer. As for a political group "getting the word out" about possible governmental takeover and bad wars -- ask Moveon.org how easy it is to do that. On the wookie planet -- why would Yoda not go? He is no less likely to go lead forces than any other member of the council. Does a plot even have to be necessitated, doesn't life just happen randomly sometimes? Nothing says they didn't spend days in hyperspace, seems an assumption you've made. Oh, and the piece the fell on Obi -- well, I took it to have enough room for him under it. I've seen that shot several times -- it's a cutscene in the video game -- and the structure that falls is a floor sitting on support beams.

Now, waking up in the elevator shaft was a bit hokey, I admit.

For me, I shuddered at "No, it's because I'M SO in LOVE with YOU."

Now I liked almost every star wars, and since I'm a geek I was definitely into the special effects... but I gotta say one thing:

Peter Jackson's Gollum was a thousand light years better than Yoda. Just watched RotK again last night... and I'm still BLOWN AWAY by how realistic they made that character, Yoda looks like... well... a bad x-box character in comparison. ;)

Well, you had to expect that, Thoran... LotR won how many oscars? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

While I think Dron-Cah answered your questions okay, I'd like the chance to address them.

Sidious believes in the prophecy that Anakin is the strongest and wants to harness his power. He references Anakin, not himself, when he tells Yoda which Jedi will be the most powerful in the galaxy. If you don't get the notion he's the strongest from RotS from his smarmy ways with Obi, then maybe playing the video game would make it clearer. He knows he out-performs Obi, and he knows he's powerful. He's whiny and immature too -- the fatal flaws.

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Another thing, In Episode 2 when the bounty hunter fire his flamethrower at Mace Windu and caused him to fall down. He is able to land on his feet safely down at the arena. In episode 3 he doesn't seem to be able to do so after Sidius fired his lightning at him? Why ?

Well, he'd been zapped to heck and back, which has through all the movies decreased the victim's ability to perform (even with Sidious at the end of RotJ). As well, as Dron Cah said, we are dealing with thousands of feet (plus additional lightning), not a hundred.
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Also, How come Darth Vader couldn't perform the lightning attack? Same as Darth Maul? But Sidius and Count Dooku is able to do that?

According to the video game, Vader CAN. Ani's force stun ability switces to force lightning mid-game. I think he prefers choke-a-bitch instead. NOTE that a lightsaber can BLOCk the force lightning, as seen with Mace when Palps is electrifying his bad self, and as seen with any character in the video games.

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Also how come Yoda seem to struggle to fight with Sidius but Mace Windu nearly defeat him if it wasn't for Anakin intervention? Is Mace Windu is stronger than Yoda?

I don't know for sure that Palps was Toying with Mace, as some suggest, maybe... maybe not. Regardless, Yoda was doing well vs. Sidious, but found himself disadvantaged by the appearance of the clone army to save Palps. Otherwise, he may have retrieved his little green phallic rod and continued the fight. With impending clone troopers coming into the Senate chamber, though, he knew that particular fight was finished.

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How come none of the Jedi sense or detect that Palpatine is Darth Sidius?

In ALL the movies, a Jedi can only sense the presences he knows to look for. Darth Vader cannot sense Luke until he first sees that little kid with Obi on the Death Star -- and the Emporer still can't sense him, for he hasn't seen him. Vader gets better and better at sensing Luke through Eps V and VI. Even in his throne room, Palps cannot sense Luke when Vader (who had encountered him twice) can -- "I have FELT him" .... "Strange that I have not." The same appears to be true for Leia -- only after searching Luke's mind and learning of her existence can Vader and Sidious attempt to plan for her existence.

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Annoying? I stop now. :D

No! Not at all annoying! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ 06-09-2005, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]