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memnoch or ziroc i would ask that this thread be closed just to keep arguements like this from happening.

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Originally posted by theifprowess:
memnoch or ziroc i would ask that this thread be closed just to keep arguements like this from happening.

That's called being a sore loser thiefnoprowess.

Besides, I wasn't having an argument. :D

Or maby i kill the whole thing if you cannot behave here! ;(

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Originally posted by Megabot:
Or maby i kill the whole thing if you cannot behave here! ;(

Don't be doing that Megabot.

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Don't be doing that Megabot

Maby not but PLEASE guys let us be friend`s here we are all gamers that like RPG`s so please don`t trow any shit around here!!

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Originally posted by Megabot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Don't be doing that Megabot

Maby not but PLEASE guys let us be friend`s here we are all gamers that like RPG`s so please don`t trow any shit around here!!</font>[/QUOTE]I agree.

I see your definitions for gypsies, Yorick. I get my information from having a M.A. in Anthropology. The only justification I can give you without writing a huge off-topic post on a gaming forum is that Romany does not equal Gypsy in the same way that Eskimo no longer equals native Greenlander. I guess that if people choose the politically correct "cry wolf" with this game's class description, then so be it. It would be a shame to see Black Isle get sued over something like this.

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Originally posted by Fionnguala MacMorna:
I see your definitions for gypsies, Yorick. I get my information from having a M.A. in Anthropology. The only justification I can give you without writing a huge off-topic post on a gaming forum is that Romany does not equal Gypsy in the same way that Eskimo no longer equals native Greenlander. I guess that if people choose the politically correct "cry wolf" with this game's class description, then so be it. It would be a shame to see Black Isle get sued over something like this.

Fionnguala I studied Anthropology and Sociology for a while too.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, on both counts. Eskimos were never merely confined to Greenland, but stretched across modern day Canada and Alaska. An Eskimo can be a native Greenlander, or not, and a native Greenlander can be an eskimo or not.

I have quoted articles proving that Gypsies are a RACE, that their language is Romany. They have been choosing to call themselves Romanies of late, hence perhaps your confusion.

They are well documented in history and the arts. I mentioned Django - to this day a guitaring Icon - was a Gypsie. I don't see how you could proclaim Gypsies are not a race as you earlier asserted, especially with your claim of Anthrop Masters.
Perhaps you speciality wasn't Gypsies? ;)

Regardless, presenting a degree instead of facts holds little water I'm afraid. ;) I'm supposed to just sit down and take your word against the mountain of evidence I have seen to the contrary?

I suppose to you the Gypsie genocide at the hands of the Nazis was fiction? You're German are you not? Has this fact been covered up in your country then?

im not a sore loser i just tire from argueing with you about a topic that shoukdnt be

Fionnguala,try this site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/patrin.htm

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Welcome to Patrin, dedicated to Romani (Gypsy) culture and history and to extending awareness of the continuous Roma struggle to achieve and maintain dignity and freedom. Patrin is a learning resource and information centre about Romani culture, social issues, and current events. To Roma the world over, we send the message: we will remember!

The Roma remain the most persecuted minority in Europe. Innocent children, mothers and fathers are brutally attacked and murdered and there is little action from the authorities to apprehend and prosecute the racist culprits responsible for these senseless acts. The authorities themselves are often responsible for singling out Roma by withholding rightful citizenship, asylum from persecution, right to travel, social services and due process of the law. Imprisonment and deportation are the only official actions of many governments.

The reasons given by European governments lack clear thought or even-handed justice. The German government claims it reduces racial violence by removing Roma from their country. And what happens to the people responsible for committing violence against Roma and other minorities? Other governments claim that Roma are responsible for much petty crime, but have they attempted to remove obstacles that prevent unemployment among the Roma, reducing crime at the same time? Racist organisations demonstrate their messages of hate openly directed at Roma with little or no restrictions, yet Roma have little if any active decision-making roles in policies directly affecting their own future.

Governments have attempted to forcibly settle and resettle Roma, often with little success and negative results. These same governments have also refused Roma the opportunity to settle down of their own accord. When a new Roma encampment begins, they are forcibly removed. Reasons include safety, hygiene, and reducing crime, but there is feeble effort by the authorities in power to improve these settlements.

The Roma remain a people on the margins of society, prevented from self-determination and gaining official recognition as a minority entitled to basic humanitarian services and rights.

The Romani people remain misunderstood and socially isolated in Europe for many reasons. Roma have mistrusted help or aid from outsiders, and with justification. For centuries they have maintained a social distance from gadje and remained separate as a matter of choice for protection and cultural strength. The days of voluntary isolationism are nearing their end in Europe. There remain very few places where Roma can have peace. Overcrowding, ethnic conflicts and strictly enforced borders within Europe force Roma closer and closer to gadje, and the situation will not change soon.

Governments have been slow to action because of the lack of a single strong united Roma voice. If outside help is accepted Roma concerns and resolve must be forcefully communicated. The World Romani Congresses and the First Gypsy Congress of the European Union are major steps in the right direction.

[ 07-08-2002, 03:22 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]